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But, there are some online casinos where the bonuses take advantage of the affiliates, if the affiliates are focused primarily on bringing in players via a bonus. TheGooner likes this. Please let me know. So it should be way more fair to not deduct the bonus money, but the revenue that the casino to pay to NetEnt as a rev share for stakes made with bonus money. Would be no drama's with these bonuses and other crap we get thrown at us. Biti likes this. Why not charge realistic costs and name them? The imaginary no value bonus will come into play now. Messages: Likes Received: You can't have it both ways, if you had a high roller that left because the casino wasn't crediting them any VIP bonuses would you be happy then? Jan 14, 7. For example, I sent in a player. Are you able to see how bonuses can game and destory your rightful affiliate earnings as well? And the most fair is perhaps to share this costs with the affiliate. Here is the difference between "now and then". AussieDave likes this. I made a post about this a while back it's a pet hate of mine, monopoly money bonuses, Now i just stick with fair casinos if everyone else done the same programs would have to change the way they shake down affiliates. The bonus amount should NOT be removed from this figure! Jan 14, 9. Nevertheless, this is an important issue at many other operators as well. And, if the player loses the deposit as well as the bonus. Jan 14, 8. This is the reply i got from an AM. It isn't free money anymore like it used to be. For example, RTG casinos that use the RTG backend will subtract the bonuses from the net gaming generated within your account. Does it happen to you as well? Jan 14, 2. That is the problem and why we are seeing this new way of calculating. People need to understand that bonus is a necessary evil thing to keep players playing. Pity more programs didn't offer a wagering model of revenue like RA. Jan 13, 1. So, if you have a few depositors, and many free players that take advantages of the bonuses, then those bonuses may eat up all of your earnings from depositing players, even when the players that took advantage of the bonuses did not even deposit or withdraw anything. Most casinos now are not 'white labels' or single-software casinos. This bonus deduction is only one out of many possible aspects to take money from an affiliate, but helps a lot to get a clearer picture of a particular program. If it's cashed out, it's deducted anyway. Jan 25, Messages: 9, Likes Received: 2, I know I'm late on this thread, but I'm trolling through all the posts right now. Jan 14, 6. I do not consider affiliate and operator interests as exactly the same, but considering costs, it should be for everybody a good thing if people are transparent about it. Bonus money is no money until it's cashed out. But since the casino offered him an imaginary and no real value bonus of euros. Ethical programs include the bonus in GGR and then deduct it from GGR if a bonus has been lost back to the casino, then neither player or casino are negative or plus. Jan 14, Casino bonuses only sucks webmasters, at the end casino collects profits, we get the remains if that will be, or negative balance. Messages: 10 Likes Received: 3. Jan 14, 3. Jan 17, To me it makes sense that the full bonus cost s deducted from the Gross Revenue, the example that you posted also means that the operator has a loss on that player. The ONLY time the above calulations are not valid, is if the player meets wagering and withdrawals. I know it is hard to imagine because we are all used to the old way, but this is how it is done now. Jan 14, 4. Jan 15, Jan 16, Usually the calculation is quite easy and I have said this many times before : If a casino screws around their customers, their affiliate program will most likely do the same with their partners. Because, they take the deposit value and subtract it with the bonus offered. The gross revenue from the player is euros. Then the bonus is treated as cash, along with whatever else that player won. I can't post the image. Good for them. In fact, these bonuses are just virtual money for them. Jan 14, 5. Also for operators. A quick example Last edited: Jan 14, GamblersFever , kazak , DaftDog and 1 other person like this. Especially with programs powered by IA, big parts of your commission are disappearing because of all kind of costs. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}Tags: affiliate program casino bonus earnings payment issues. Jan 18, PaaskeUK likes this. It's not fair to vanish a complete revenue because of insane and unrealistic costs. As I've said many times before Bonuses are just another means to screw affiliates out of their rightful commissions. These bonus deductions are quite popular at RTG casinos. I think bonuses are necessary and the WR on most are not unrealistic, they are perfectly reasonable. It would be great if a system could be implemented in which programs using this deduction from NGR are highlighted. As such, when they offer bonuses - they actually PAY the money in. On the long run, most profitable is a casino that has a good retention and serious players. And even if the player loses the entire bonus, it is still considered as negative value. But, deducting the complete bonus, is not fair at all. Is it how casino affiliate programs work? But, bonuses are really impacting my earnings. Players want to get something from time to time, otherwise, they won't be playing as they can grab their bonuses everywhere and serious players are welcome everywhere. Because bonuses are usual equaling deposits or more than deposits. Messages: 3, Likes Received: 1, Exactly what AssieDave said! I think programs should be transparent about costs.